The reason for our recent changes

ajlancer

Hi BeverlyThanks for explained all factors behind which going on still . It is really understandable. I do not have a single doubt about seocheckout. But little worry for circumstance. After all, this is marketplace and many buyer and seller involve here for buying and selling services and making some money and convey to his family. And payment gateway as like blood of all activity. If it is continuously going on under trouble, that should not good for us by any consideration. But which almost recovered as I know. And hope everything will be normal in near soon. I know Jordan and his team doing well and we trust him very much. I am here almost 9 years and I know Jordan and you and other team member even I worked with all of you and I know all of you are very dedicated and doing hard under some extend. Jordan always make this marketplace very convenient for all of us.

I would like to get some information to all as buyer and seller.

Jordan just shift business model to your own hand and nothing much different. They got trouble so they has to be changed. Do not blame them either support.

Payment gateway:
At this moment, you can get pay several ways, which Beverly mentioned in other comment. You can get paid via paypal, skrill, coinpayments, coingate, airtm, myuser.com, authorize.net including card payment and more coming soon.
Give me an example form other marketplace, who get you such an opportunity to get paid by several sources? No nothing there. It is my 12 years experience. If you see fiverr, upwork all mostly accept payment via paypal and card. Nothing more there.

If you withdraw, now you can get payment via payoneer and Hyperwallet/Paylution ID even via wise account.
So this also convenient from other marketplace, if you compare.

If you ask why withdrawal has delaying, I would like to say, It is happening for temporary. Because their fund stuck on Paypal and stripe and it will be normal again very soon.

30% commission look high but who tell you it is high, get your fund your own payment gateway, you will get 100% for each sell.

Free bump: it should not be more and they has to be earn at least something from marketplace. Now Seocheckout offer several promotional option for user by paid bump and highlight. Did you see free bump to any other platform? Get sell and get ratting gradually and everything will convenient for you. You are now save 20% commission, so what is the problem to buy paid bump? Do not forget nothing easy on interment marketplace.

$3 service has to be die: This type of low budget service break Seocheckout reputation. And this tiny amount purchase buyer who specially purchase via PP, they make dispute most. And you will be big loser, if you getting dispute more and more time on your paypal for $3 service.

Add fund: Why I insist for add fund option must to active?

For example: if you only allow to add fund via card or skrillor airtm or which you think convenient or safe for you instead of paypal. Once buyer add fund on their account, he/she can use account balance for who even do
not have paypal or other payment method active. Simply pay by balance.

Buyer able to buy service from everyone but using account balance. And you will deduct 30% commission from seller. It is simple and very useful and buy and sell will increase again.

So, stay with Seocheckout and his team and keep your support always

Your valuable support will gain you and them after all.

If you have any query regarding this issue, leave the comment here or inbox me. I always happy to assist you

Thanks Hi [url=https://www.seoclerks.com/user/Beverly]Beverly[/url]Thanks for explained all factors behind which going on still . It is really understandable. I do not have a single doubt about SEOclerks. But little worry for circumstance. After all, this is marketplace and many buyer and seller involve here for buying and selling services and making some money and convey to his family. And payment gateway as like blood of all activity. If it is continuously going on under trouble, that should not good for us by any consideration. But which almost recovered as I know. And hope everything will be normal in near soon. I know [b]Jordan[/b] and his team doing well and we trust him very much. I am here [b]almost 9 years[/b] and I know Jordan and you and other team member even I worked with all of you and I know all of you are very dedicated and doing hard under some extend. Jordan always make this marketplace very convenient for all of us. [b]I would like to get some information to all as buyer and seller.[/b] Jordan just shift business model to your own hand and nothing much different. They got trouble so they has to be changed. Do not blame them either support. [b]Payment gateway:[/b] At this moment, you can get pay several ways, which Beverly mentioned in other comment. You can get paid via paypal, skrill, coinpayments, coingate, airtm, myuser.com, authorize.net including card payment and more coming soon. Give me an example form other marketplace, who get you such an opportunity to get paid by several sources? No nothing there. It is my 12 years experience. If you see fiverr, upwork all mostly accept payment via paypal and card. Nothing more there. [b]If you withdraw[/b], now you can get payment via payoneer and Hyperwallet/Paylution ID even via wise account. So this also convenient from other marketplace, if you compare. If you ask why [b]withdrawal has delaying[/b], I would like to say, It is happening for temporary. Because their fund stuck on Paypal and stripe and it will be normal again very soon. [b]30% commission[/b] look high but who tell you it is high, get your fund your own payment gateway, you will get 100% for each sell. [b]Free bump:[/b] it should not be more and they has to be earn at least something from marketplace. Now Seoclerks offer several promotional option for user by paid bump and highlight. Did you see free bump to any other platform? Get sell and get ratting gradually and everything will convenient for you. You are now save 20% commission, so what is the problem to buy paid bump? Do not forget nothing easy on interment marketplace. [b]$1 service[/b] has to be die: This type of low budget service break seoclerks reputation. And this tiny amount purchase buyer who specially purchase via PP, they make dispute most. And you will be big loser, if you getting dispute more and more time on your paypal for $1 service. [b]Add fund: Why I insist for add fund option must to active?[/b] For example: if you only allow to add fund via card or skrillor airtm or which you think convenient or safe for you instead of paypal. Once buyer add fund on their account, he/she can use account balance for who even do not have paypal or other payment method active. Simply pay by balance. Buyer able to buy service from everyone but using account balance. And you will deduct 30% commission from seller. It is simple and very useful and buy and sell will increase again. So, stay with seoclerks and his team and keep your support always Your valuable support will gain you and them after all. If you have any query regarding this issue, leave the comment here or inbox me. I always happy to assist you Thanks

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advanceseonahid

As far as we know, PayPal isn't supported in BD & PK and the majority of the clients don't use airtm.they use paypal So,this is really big problem to get orders.sir Beverly.i am a normal freelancer.in our country, PayPal does not support so i can not add PayPal to my account. before the update comes I got lots of order but now because i don't have PayPal i can not get any orders. most of the Seocheckout buyers use PayPal to give orders.because in our country we don't have PayPal so i can not get enough orders it really helpless for me . I am really get worried about my future.if I can not get order then i have to stop work. sir Beverly and ajlancer can you give me any suggestion what can we do.it really harmful for our future from Bangladesh most of the freelancers dose not have paypal.how can i get order before as i get it.you can make a ruls like if i have no paypal and if any buyer want to order me then he can order from any payment way but you cut 30% so if you make this true we can get orders. 0

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ajlancer

Unfortunately! no way without paypal as a seller. where you live does not big concern but how business will run that is concern. Seocheckout has no way to add paypal again. And they hand over the business to all seller and buyer. I know you live in BD but you have to find way to use PP. It is not very hard to manage a PP account from BD. Contact with your FNF who live in outside and make open a account by them. This is may best option as I suggest for you.
Sorry to know your situation. This situation not only you suffer but also suffering a lot of seller and buyer.
Hope everything will be okay again soon. 80% already recover remain will be okay soon. Do not worry!
Until keep your support always.

Have a nice day!

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backpage4u

But what about available balance in my wallet, i unable to withdraw it..

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dolche

How do i have to use Account balance and there is no option for to pay via Paypal?
What to do NOW

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ProSeoAgency

Hello dear Beverly,
Hope you are well
But me and all of us are at a lot of very bad for the payment method and to change the system of the payment method.

It is not our problem that you have lifted the free boost, it is not our problem that you have increased the commission by 10%. The biggest problem for all our sellers and buyer is the payment system change.

Everything Bangladesh sellers depends on earning seocheckout, our family lives on earning seocheckout. We all work here to get rid of our unemployment.

But many of us are not getting jobs because of the change in the system of your payment method, and our unemployment is increasing. PayPal is not supported in several countries including our Bangladesh. We can't use PayPal because we don't have PayPal in our country. We have got into a lot of trouble because of this. I accidentally added a PayPal to my account. But this PayPal is disabled, many of my hard-earned funds have been transferred to PayPal and gone automatically. By doing this I have got into a lot of big problems.

Why do we have so many problems with PayPal? There are many clients who want to order from us, but we can't get orders from them because we don't have PayPal. You have shared this payment method with us. People in the country who support PayPal are working happily and getting a lot of orders and we have a lot of problems and worries because PayPal does not support in our country.

We have a lot of sellers who are losing a lot of money for PayPal. Many of us have suffered a great deal only because of the system change of the payment method. Many of us are facing problems step by step as payment method systems change the rules and regulations in this way.

We want our funds to be deposited in Seocheckout Main Balance, and we will withdraw our funds from there any payment method we like.

My special request, please use the payment method systems in the previous system. Please think about the countries that do not support PayPal, those who are having a lot of problems with PayPal, and think about some of their benefits.

Give us a payment system that is good for all of us, and we are happy [size=120][color=#ff0000][b]Hello dear Beverly,[/b][/color] Hope you are well But me and all of us are at a lot of very bad for the payment method and to change the system of the payment method. It is not our problem that you have lifted the free boost, it is not our problem that you have increased the commission by 10%. The biggest problem for all our sellers and buyer is the payment system change. Everything Bangladesh sellers depends on earning SEOClerks, our family lives on earning SEOClerks. We all work here to get rid of our unemployment. But many of us are not getting jobs because of the change in the system of your payment method, and our unemployment is increasing. PayPal is not supported in several countries including our Bangladesh. We can't use PayPal because we don't have PayPal in our country. We have got into a lot of trouble because of this. I accidentally added a PayPal to my account. But this PayPal is disabled, many of my hard-earned funds have been transferred to PayPal and gone automatically. By doing this I have got into a lot of big problems. Why do we have so many problems with PayPal? There are many clients who want to order from us, but we can't get orders from them because we don't have PayPal. You have shared this payment method with us. People in the country who support PayPal are working happily and getting a lot of orders and we have a lot of problems and worries because PayPal does not support in our country. We have a lot of sellers who are losing a lot of money for PayPal. Many of us have suffered a great deal only because of the system change of the payment method. Many of us are facing problems step by step as payment method systems change the rules and regulations in this way. We want our funds to be deposited in SEOClerks Main Balance, and we will withdraw our funds from there any payment method we like. My special request, please use the payment method systems in the previous system. Please think about the countries that do not support PayPal, those who are having a lot of problems with PayPal, and think about some of their benefits. Give us a payment system that is good for all of us, and we are happy[/size]

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Beverly

My special request, please use the payment method systems in the previous system.

We don't really have this option. As noted in the original post, we are not acting as a payment aggregator. If a seller has that payment method, they are welcome to use it. We cannot use the company payment method to process funds for seller.

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backlinksworld9

Previous payment method is good

If you possible i want previous payment method

thanks

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farahkhan

Thats a great feeling to finally hear from Beverly The reason for our recent changes

We are always with Seocheckout no matter what. These are hard times for everyone but don't forget this platform has also provided a great business and opportunities for more than 9 years almost. When on internet thousands of freelancers were tired from other marketplace staff behavior and seller support Seocheckout undoubtedly proven to be amongst the best in prompt and friendly support. I can understand many freelancers especially from Pakistan and Bangladesh are facing huge problems due to PayPal but trust me I am working on Seocheckout for almost 7 years now and I have full faith in staff and Jordan that they would figure something out very soon. Try to understand their situation as well they are already stuck due to the reason Beverly mentioned above. Still they are trying best to bring traffic and buyers to seocheckout.Hard time will pass sooner or later Don't put your hopes down trust me Seocheckout will be back to normal very soon. Till then try to get buyers by promoting service and maintain your new ratings I know its very hard I am also in this with you guys but somehow managing to get few orders a week.
There are many professionals here I would suggest you to find a payment solutions and recommend it to staff. We pray Seocheckout staff and Jordan will find a good solution for everyone.
Thanks Beverly for the updates and explaining in detail. We are always with Seocheckout and always will

Note: Any freelancer from Pakistan and Bangladesh facing issues in connecting Airtm or other available gateways feel free to contact in inbox I would love to help.

Regards
Farah khan

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bestseoranker

Hi Beverly,

Thanks for making a announcement We are really worried what's happening in seocheckout, And i Really fell bad for the PayPal Limit issue.

I have just 1 question Many countries does not Support PayPal Like my Country Pakistan Does not support PayPal & Bangladesh Also not supported, PayPal is not available in both countries, Skrill Requires a Valid Business/Merchant account thats very difficult to every seller, Authorize,net, Is Also available in just Few countries.

Only Airtm is Available in Mostly countries but Airtm is P2P if any buyer wants to deposit funds in Airtm, Airtm Fee is 19% if any Buyer wants to deposit funds directly Airtm Charges 5% but only Few countries have Direct deposit option...

I Have 1 request if Seocheckout Fell safe Try to Add any Credit Card option to all not supported PayPal, Skrill, Authorize,net, Countries. I don't know about any one but i have Really No issue with 30% Seocheckout Fee no Free Boosts i just want a Supported Payment methods so i can survive in this Covid Pandemic, I am sure many sellers are also agree with the Credit card option & Specially many Top Buyers have not PayPal

Thanks The reason for our recent changes

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Beverly

Hi bestseoranker, I have previously reported this issue regarding AirTM fees to Jordan via your Ticket #410606.You can speak to him on that ticket if you have suggestions for payment methods compatible with your region.

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Tasfiya

Please give us a reason about removing free boost service thanks

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Beverly

We removed the 20% Marketplace commission on most type of sales, meaning you are receiving 20% more money from the sale of each service, assuming buyer uses your payment method. For this reason, the free boosts were removed.

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Seorobiul34

All updates change and go back to old rules . All buyers and seller are burning problem and as a result we do not work .

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azkakhan

Every change sends us downstairs, and we are totally out of business, especially after removing the credit card option.

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AsifAKhanLONDON

@Beverly What has happened with the affiliate program? Will it be reactivated soon? What about payments that aren't going to the account? Will these be paid?

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anwebservices

Yeah, i also would like to know what will happen with affiliate system? Will it be back to old state, changed or discontinued?

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Beverly

@anwebservices

As noted before, we are not ready to open up the affiliate program at this time.

We have to answer the question: where will the money come from to pay affiliates?

We don't know at this point.

We are hopeful to find solid ground on this and many other issues.

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Beverly

Hi @W130SN, We're not ready yet to reopen the affiliate program.

Also, we don't know if the affiliate program will look the same as before.

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ProSeoAgency

Hello dear Beverly,
Hope you are well
But me and all of us are at a lot of very bad for the payment method and to change the system of the payment method.

It is not our problem that you have lifted the free boost, it is not our problem that you have increased the commission by 10%. The biggest problem for all our sellers and buyer is the payment system change.

Everything Bangladesh sellers depends on earning seocheckout, our family lives on earning seocheckout. We all work here to get rid of our unemployment.

But many of us are not getting jobs because of the change in the system of your payment method, and our unemployment is increasing. PayPal is not supported in several countries including our Bangladesh. We can't use PayPal because we don't have PayPal in our country. We have got into a lot of trouble because of this. I accidentally added a PayPal to my account. But this PayPal is disabled, many of my hard-earned funds have been transferred to PayPal and gone automatically. By doing this I have got into a lot of big problems.

Why do we have so many problems with PayPal? There are many clients who want to order from us, but we can't get orders from them because we don't have PayPal. You have shared this payment method with us. People in the country who support PayPal are working happily and getting a lot of orders and we have a lot of problems and worries because PayPal does not support in our country.

We have a lot of sellers who are losing a lot of money for PayPal. Many of us have suffered a great deal only because of the system change of the payment method. Many of us are facing problems step by step as payment method systems change the rules and regulations in this way.

We want our funds to be deposited in Seocheckout Main Balance, and we will withdraw our funds from there any payment method we like.

My special request, please use the payment method systems in the previous system. Please think about the countries that do not support PayPal, those who are having a lot of problems with PayPal, and think about some of their benefits.

Sir, Give us a good payment system so that we can all be happy, then we will all be forever grateful to you, and to the Seocheckout Marketplace [size=120][color=#ff0000][b]Hello dear Beverly,[/b] [/color][color=#38761d][b]Hope you are well[/b][/color] But me and all of us are at a lot of very bad for the payment method and to change the system of the payment method. It is not our problem that you have lifted the free boost, it is not our problem that you have increased the commission by 10%. The biggest problem for all our sellers and buyer is the payment system change. Everything Bangladesh sellers depends on earning SEOClerks, our family lives on earning SEOClerks. We all work here to get rid of our unemployment. But many of us are not getting jobs because of the change in the system of your payment method, and our unemployment is increasing. PayPal is not supported in several countries including our Bangladesh. We can't use PayPal because we don't have PayPal in our country. We have got into a lot of trouble because of this. I accidentally added a PayPal to my account. But this PayPal is disabled, many of my hard-earned funds have been transferred to PayPal and gone automatically. By doing this I have got into a lot of big problems. Why do we have so many problems with PayPal? There are many clients who want to order from us, but we can't get orders from them because we don't have PayPal. You have shared this payment method with us. People in the country who support PayPal are working happily and getting a lot of orders and we have a lot of problems and worries because PayPal does not support in our country. We have a lot of sellers who are losing a lot of money for PayPal. Many of us have suffered a great deal only because of the system change of the payment method. Many of us are facing problems step by step as payment method systems change the rules and regulations in this way. We want our funds to be deposited in SEOClerks Main Balance, and we will withdraw our funds from there any payment method we like. My special request, please use the payment method systems in the previous system. Please think about the countries that do not support PayPal, those who are having a lot of problems with PayPal, and think about some of their benefits. [b] [color=#cc0000]Sir, [/color][/b]Give us a good payment system so that we can all be happy, then we will all be forever grateful to you, and to the SEOClerks Marketplace[/size]

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spider11

This does not sound good for sellers.

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ArmanSeoExpert

We want the Seocheckout payment method like before. Please consider our Bangladeshi Pakistani seller or buyer.

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SuvoSEO

Hey Beverly, Thanks a ton for Sharing all the "Behind The Scenes" Facts. As everyone was so curious to know all of this.
It's been more than 8 Years I am with seocheckout. I never worried for a single moment about my funds or any doubt about marketplace.
It's true, It was a very big changes and we are happy that everything now in control. All changes takes time to adopted by everyone and I am sure we all will do that as well. All changes bring something good for people. No worries.

About PayPal:
We know PayPal was very crucial for our Business but at the same time we also know, sometimes how brutal PayPal can be when several disputes happens. SO as a marketplace owner what happened with ionicware just imagine. How they will handle all of disputes behalf of all sellers. I believe our ionicware team and Jordan did their best to keep it normal but finally it gone. It's okay. let it be.

One more thing:
Specially, I will never forget the support of Jordan. I believe he is the only one Person in the world who allowed us fee less withdrawals and adding funds also was completely free, No processing fees. All cost beard by ionicware.
I will be life time thankful for that. All other marketplace place charge a fee for withdrawals, Orders, and Transfer. Except seocheckout, Ionicware.

Allowing sellers for direct sale and take no commission!
Honestly, It Makes No sense to me, that we will work in a marketplace and that won't earn anything from our sales. It shouldn't be.
It gives a insecure feelings among sellers that if marketplace not earn how it will run or promote us.
I can't be more selfish by having 100% in my wallet and forgetting where I belong. I still will request to you all and Jordan for adding that commission as it's a normal fact.

We all know, Market Place itself has some operating cost, Marketing cost, Maintenance cost. and so on. SO I will keep requesting please add commission and give some favor to sellers and promoters who affiliates our services. Otherwise without Promotion we won't be able to make good amount of sales and it won't matter anymore if we earn 100% or less.

About New Payment Methods:
I do welcome these addons and I will request as we are a seller/freelancer it's pretty tough for most of us to do validation of our business. SO if there is something can be done from Jordan or team please do or guide us. Thank You so much.

For those who thinks 30% is much:
Dear all sellers, It's not from your 100% sales. It is only from few orders which payment you can't receive direct. So No worry there is no Loss.
Tips: Add more value to your service, redesign your service and raise price (you can even raise calculating 30% with base price) That's fine. If clients sees more work they will pay more.

Free Bumps: Honestly, I never believed free bumps had impact on sales except bumping it on top. I never used it almost last 6-7 Years. I have more than 250+ Free bumps always in my accounts.
Just buy 20 Bumps for $13 and bump it 20 times. It will re-bump in 12 hours and your gig will remain highlighted. That works more.
Tips: Always buy 20 Bumps as it is reasonable. also try to catch Seocheckout offers. Sometimes on special days it offers 100% discounts on bumps. if you buy 20 it will be 40. That way collect more bumps and use them accurately. Find the right time to bump your service to get more sales and visibility.

Please inbox me for any trouble/issues/difficulties you may face while working in seocheckout. I will try to help you as much as I can from my experience. Let support team work on more important issues first.

Have a Good Day

BeverlyBeverly [b][size=100] Hey [url=https://www.seoclerks.com/user/Beverly]Beverly[/url], Thanks a ton for Sharing all the [color=#0000ff]"Behind The Scenes"[/color] Facts. As everyone was so curious to know all of this.[/size] [/b] It's been more than [b]8 Years I am with seoclerks[/b]. I never worried for a single moment about my funds or any doubt about marketplace. It's true, It was a very big changes and we are happy that everything now in control. All changes takes time to adopted by everyone and I am sure we all will do that as well. All changes bring something good for people. No worries. [color=#0000ff] [b][size=100]About PayPal:[/size][/b][/color] We know PayPal was [b]very crucial[/b] for our Business but at the same time we also know, sometimes how brutal [b]PayPal [/b]can be when [b]several disputes happens[/b]. SO as a marketplace owner what happened with ionicware just imagine. How they will handle[b] all of disputes behalf of all sellers.[/b] I believe our ionicware team and Jordan did their best to keep it normal but finally it gone. It's okay. let it be. [b][color=#0000ff][size=100]One more thing:[/size][/color][/b] [size=100][b]Specially, I will never forget the support of [color=#0000ff]Jordan[/color].[/b] [b]I believe he is the only one Person in the world who allowed us fee less withdrawals and adding funds also was completely free, No processing fees.[/b] All cost beard by ionicware. I will be life time thankful for that. All other marketplace place charge a fee for withdrawals, Orders, and Transfer. Except Seoclerks, Ionicware. [/size] [color=#0000ff][size=100][b]Allowing sellers for direct sale and take no commission![/b][/size][/color] [b]Honestly,[/b] It Makes No sense to me, that we will work in a marketplace and that won't earn anything from our sales. It shouldn't be. It gives a insecure feelings among sellers that if marketplace not earn how it will run or promote us. [b]I can't be more selfish by having 100% in my wallet and forgetting where I belong.[/b] I still will request to you all and [b]Jordan[/b] for adding that commission as it's a [b]normal fact. [/b] [b]We all know,[/b] Market Place itself has some [b]operating cost, Marketing cost, Maintenance cost[/b]. and so on. SO I will keep requesting please add commission and give some favor to [b]sellers and promoters who affiliates our services[/b]. Otherwise without Promotion we won't be able to make good amount of sales and it won't matter anymore if we earn 100% or less. [color=#0000ff][size=100][b]About New Payment Methods:[/b][/size][/color] I do welcome these addons and I will request as we are a seller/freelancer it's pretty tough for most of us to do [b]validation of our business[/b]. SO if there is something can be done from Jordan or team please do or guide us. Thank You so much. [b][color=#0000ff][size=100]For those who thinks 30% is much:[/size][/color][/b] Dear all sellers,[b] It's not from your 100% sales.[/b] It is only from few orders[b] which payment you can't receive direct[/b]. So No worry there is no Loss. [b][color=#0000ff][size=100]Tips:[/size][/color] Add more value to your service, redesign your service and raise price (you can even raise calculating 30% with base price) That's fine. If clients sees more work they will pay more. [/b] [b][color=#0000ff][size=100]Free Bumps:[/size][/color][/b] [b]Honestly[/b], I never believed free bumps had[b] impact on sales except bumping it on top[/b]. I never used it almost last 6-7 Years. I have more than 250+ Free bumps always in my accounts. Just buy[b] 20 Bumps for $8 and bump it 20 times[/b]. It will[b] re-bump in 12 hours and your gig will remain highlighted[/b]. That works more. [b][color=#0000ff][size=100]Tips: [/size][/color][/b]Always [b]buy 20 Bumps [/b]as it is reasonable. also try to catch[b] seoclerks offers[/b]. Sometimes on [b]special days it offers 100% discounts[/b] on bumps. if you buy [b]20 it will be 40[/b]. That way collect more bumps and use them accurately. Find the right time to bump your service to get more sales and visibility. Please inbox me for any trouble/issues/difficulties you may face while working in seoclerks. I will try to help you as much as I can from my experience. Let support team work on more important issues first. Have a Good Day BeverlyBeverly

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ryanamit

What about the free boost??

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Beverly

Hi, please check the various responses as this was already covered. Let me know if other questions.

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ryanamit

we don't mind giving 20% but keep that free boost. it helps us a lot.

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anwebservices

Instead of giving 20%, simply buy paid boosts, what's the problem

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ryanamit

The problem is most of the buyer dosent have Airtm. So they can pay me directly. And we dont have paypal here so basically i have to give 30% and also buy the boost. Its frustrating for me

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Yeah, i see, it's complicated... I hope SC team will find some solution for that The reason for our recent changes

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ajlancer

Hi why you are not buying paid boost instead of 20% save commission? Please do not think everything remain easy!
seocheckout per convenient from other marketplace.

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ryanamit

yeah, bro I know Seoclearks is far better than other marketplaces. And I'm not comparing. I told in the previous comment why I think this way. please read the comment. thanks

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Tomal

seocheckout does not remove 20% commission. They made it 30%(added 10%) for people like us. We can't use any other payment method except Payoneer. Previously the commission was 20%, now it's 30% including paid boosts.

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evakore

I am a buyer and this change is not really great. I dont want to deal with paypal account set up to make a purchase. What other options are there to purchase normally via CC?

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Beverly

That is a great question and I appreciate your taking time to contribute.Only those payment methods that seller has added in payments tab of settings will appear at checkout for your use.

Currently, there are several other payment options besides PayPal including Coingate, Myuser, CoinPayments, Skrill, Authorize.net, etc. Not all sellers will have access to all payment methods listed.

If you have a suggestion for a payment method which you can use, that is not listed here, please feel free to let us know.

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ajlancer

Hi card option already active for some seller. So you can purchased from them. even you can purchase any service from me via card. Because it has activated. So it is up to seller who wants to get payment via Seocheckout activated payment gateway.
Thanks

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seoseekerz

Hi, good evening here , i am a seller and i want to know how i can active card option as a seller as you mention thet on your id card option is available ?

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nerv

Hi Beverly.

Thank you for explaining what's is going on with Seocheckout right now but I have one big concern. You are talking mostly about sellers but what about your affiliates?

I've been promoting Seocheckout through affiliate sales since 2012.
Your changes about including direct payments for sellers means basically for every affiliate no % cut for sale.

That changes everything and it makes Seocheckout not as good place to promote anymore.
On https://www.seocheckout.com/affiliate it still says "You will earn a commission from all of your affiliate members sales, no matter what."

With your recent changes that is unfortunately not true anymore.

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anwebservices

From day one i had no doubts that Seocheckout team will fin good solution for everybody here. It is hard to adjust everything in short time, i understand. But i hope that soon everything will be fine. Thank you Beverly for information, and thanks to all SC team for tireless improving. Hope that other sllers and buyer will soon accept new way of selling / buying as new normal. Best regards to you, Jordan and the rest of the SC team...

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Expertbotz

We are not at all pleased with some of the changes such the following:
1. For sellers who assign PayPal as their method of payment, they do not get 100% of the fees as Seocheckout is claiming. Seocheckout will receive 10% and PayPal will receive 5% of the total cost.
2. There are a lot of buyers who use PayPal to defraud sellers and therefore Seocheckout is also trying distancing itself from PayPal because of this. Buyers do this by filing mischievous claims to PayPal after receiving sellers' products or services and because the payment was made directly to seocheckout's PayPal account, only they can agrue on the seller's behalf and oftentimes they don't and sellers hard work goes in vain.
3. Seocheckout has mandate sellers to submit credit card details so that they can charge sellers 10% directly whether or not an order is completed. I find very unfair to sellers because a buyer can receive a product or service then cancel the order on PayPal and they will receive a full refund but Seocheckout will still charge the seller's credit card 10% of the incomplete order. This basically gives sellers no leverage or security in using seocheckout's platform.

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SuvoSEO

Hello,
Thanks for your input, Can you please explain point 1 you mentioned?
I am curious how SC still earns when someone paid through PayPal.
As I know when someone pays by PP sellers just Pay Paypal Fees. and inside SC Seller pays 10% as selling fees.
Please clarify.

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Expertbotz

If Seocheckout requires a seller to pay 10% of an order then the seller cannot get 100%. Yes, 100% goes to the seller's PayPal account minus the 5% for PayPal fees but Seocheckout has mandate sellers to submit a credit card so that they can deduct their 10% plus $2.3 for each payment made through PayPal. And according to Seocheckout they don't care if buyer completes the order or not, they will still take 10% plus $2.3. So if a seller starts an order for $750, Seocheckout will instantly charge their credit card $75.30 before the order is even completed. If the buyer is mischievous and cancels the order via PayPal after receiving the product or service, the seller will lose twice as much because Seocheckout will not return the $75.30 it deducted from the seller's credit card.

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Se0Ranker

please back free boost.
i did not got any order after removing free boost.
It was very helpful to new comer seller like me

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ajlancer

Sorry this service no more available. Seller now getting almost 100% and you are save 20% commission. Use it for paid bump!

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Se0Ranker

Thanks for your valuable reply. can i add Paypal account. is it safe from bangladesh ?

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SuvoSEO

If you have a verified PayPal accounts you can add it in your account. Make sure you have proper access on that account.

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shivayaseo

Hi Beverly,

Thank you for letting us know exactly what was happen with seocheckout.com.
It is divine to understand seocheckout.com, but the truth is that some changes necessary to be done as changes are just a part of necessity.

Thank you!

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Beverly

Thank you. And I share your sentiment. It is about time that we were able to share with our loyal members, You all are our Seocheckout family. I know we can pull through this if we work together.

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crystygolf5

And why it's now 30% fees ???

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Beverly

Only balance purchases incur a 30% Marketplace Commission for seller and before this was 20% for all sales.You can add your own payment method under payments tab in settings to receive 100% of the money from sale of your service.

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Tasfiya

Make the payment method the same as before because the buyer cannot order from us in this method thanks
Have a good day

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Beverly

We're unable to process PayPal and credit card payments on the seller's behalf.

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Tasfiya

My dear friend, because of the system that you have introduced, many cellars are falling from Bangladesh and Pakistan thanks
Have a good day

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Tasfiya

My dear friend, because of the system that you have introduced, many cellars are falling from Bangladesh and Pakistan

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twambazemarie

if possible please add payeer, it's an ewallet available to all countries

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kash2u

It's a big relief to receive reply from you @Beverly. I was in dark since the paypal issue happend and now I am happy that Seocheckout team are working to resolve the issue.
( I know it's hard to say ) Is there any timeframe, when we could withdraw fund to our paypal.
Actually my family depends on my seocheckout's earning & I am unable to withdraw my previous earning( I use only paypal ).
Now I am worried!!

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ArmanSeoExpert

Hi........Sir,

We are very frustrated to see such a day of seocheckout. But we were with Seocheckout all the time, we will love seocheckout.We would have benefited both Seller and Buyer if the Seocheckout Add Funds System is turned on. Then the buyer would load the Seocheckout Account money by following the payment methods like its benefits. Then the buyer could buy the service by ordering from any country's seller through pay with balance.Free boost off with 20% commission from sellers. Then changing the Seocheckout business model would be popular with everyone and would be beneficial for everyone.

Thanks..........

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ababba2

I don't have the will to create another account on another financial service online and wasting another half of a day to fullfill all the data needed and another week to get approved. Also considering the high amount of scammers, it's not a good idea to remove your only layer of protection. I guess my time on this site is over.

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ProSeoAgency

Hello dear Beverly,
Hope you are well
But me and all of us are at a lot of very bad for the payment method and to change the system of the payment method.

It is not our problem that you have lifted the free boost, it is not our problem that you have increased the commission by 10%. The biggest problem for all our sellers and buyer is the payment system change.

Everything Bangladesh sellers depends on earning seocheckout, our family lives on earning seocheckout. We all work here to get rid of our unemployment.

But many of us are not getting jobs because of the change in the system of your payment method, and our unemployment is increasing. PayPal is not supported in several countries including our Bangladesh. We can't use PayPal because we don't have PayPal in our country. We have got into a lot of trouble because of this. I accidentally added a PayPal to my account. But this PayPal is disabled, many of my hard-earned funds have been transferred to PayPal and gone automatically. By doing this I have got into a lot of big problems.

Why do we have so many problems with PayPal? There are many clients who want to order from us, but we can't get orders from them because we don't have PayPal. You have shared this payment method with us. People in the country who support PayPal are working happily and getting a lot of orders and we have a lot of problems and worries because PayPal does not support in our country.

We have a lot of sellers who are losing a lot of money for PayPal. Many of us have suffered a great deal only because of the system change of the payment method. Many of us are facing problems step by step as payment method systems change the rules and regulations in this way.

We want our funds to be deposited in Seocheckout Main Balance, and we will withdraw our funds from there any payment method we like.

My special request, please use the payment method systems in the previous system. Please think about the countries that do not support PayPal, those who are having a lot of problems with PayPal, and think about some of their benefits.

Sir, Give us a good payment system so that we can all be happy, then we will all be forever grateful to you, and to the Seocheckout Marketplace [size=100][b][color=#ff0000] Hello dear Beverly, [/color][color=#38761d]Hope you are well[/color][/b] But me and all of us are at a lot of very bad for the payment method and to change the system of the payment method. It is not our problem that you have lifted the free boost, it is not our problem that you have increased the commission by 10%. The biggest problem for all our sellers and buyer is the payment system change. Everything Bangladesh sellers depends on earning SEOClerks, our family lives on earning SEOClerks. We all work here to get rid of our unemployment. But many of us are not getting jobs because of the change in the system of your payment method, and our unemployment is increasing. PayPal is not supported in several countries including our Bangladesh. We can't use PayPal because we don't have PayPal in our country. We have got into a lot of trouble because of this. I accidentally added a PayPal to my account. But this PayPal is disabled, many of my hard-earned funds have been transferred to PayPal and gone automatically. By doing this I have got into a lot of big problems. Why do we have so many problems with PayPal? There are many clients who want to order from us, but we can't get orders from them because we don't have PayPal. You have shared this payment method with us. People in the country who support PayPal are working happily and getting a lot of orders and we have a lot of problems and worries because PayPal does not support in our country. We have a lot of sellers who are losing a lot of money for PayPal. Many of us have suffered a great deal only because of the system change of the payment method. Many of us are facing problems step by step as payment method systems change the rules and regulations in this way. We want our funds to be deposited in SEOClerks Main Balance, and we will withdraw our funds from there any payment method we like. My special request, please use the payment method systems in the previous system. Please think about the countries that do not support PayPal, those who are having a lot of problems with PayPal, and think about some of their benefits. [b][color=#cc0000]Sir, [/color][/b]Give us a good payment system so that we can all be happy, then we will all be forever grateful to you, and to the SEOClerks Marketplace[/size]

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BrandUP

First of all, I feel deeply sorry for this unfortunate event, we all support Seocheckout and we believe that it's the best marketplace ever from every aspect. Please allow me to quote a good reply by one of our friends here that says:"Honestly, It Makes No sense to me, that we will work in a marketplace and that won't earn anything from our sales. It shouldn't be.
It gives a insecure feelings among sellers that if marketplace not earn how it will run or promote us.
I can't be more selfish by having 100% in my wallet and forgetting where I belong. I still will request to you all and Jordan for adding that commission as it's a normal fact."
If I understood the situation, I wonder why wouldn't you create a monthly bill for the sellers that depends on their selling activities.
so that their account will remain active as long as they pay their bills.

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graplinhook

Been using these services for over 3 years. No complaints until now. I understand that PP is messed up for a lot of people in different countries. Is there any way to set up your website so that we as buyers can either deposit money from our credit card to purchase services or pay directly by credit card. This would eliminate PP and other external ways for payment. Depending who I order from now, I have to open numerous payment accounts with Coingate, Myuser, CoinPayments, Skrill, Authorize.net, etc. I really like this site and hope this can be fixed. Thank you for taking the time to read this.

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crystygolf5

now to receive a payment by payonner we have to wait + 31 days .. The reason for our recent changes

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Mamun1987

wise.com
not working for withdrawal

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nerv

Same here. I would like to use it also.

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Mamun1987

Hi Beverly
I have lost my payoneer and tried many times to re-add a new payoneer on the settings tab but I was failed as my old one is still associated with payoneer. Payoneer told they can't disassociate the old one from their end. After that I withdrawn my fund trough wise.com and it was successful. But why now I see only payoneer and not wise or airtm ????? Its above a month we enable to withdraw my fund. Its really horrible situation for receiving and withdrawing fund from SC. Only for the papal problem we shouldn't not be punished together here. Please active at least wise.com for me
Regards
Mamun1987

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exjordanary

AS a FORMER EMPLOYEE of seocheckout myself, and as much as I truly enjoyed my early years here. I must say, there is little here for me now.
Jordan used to Post Content quite often. Now where is he?
I had suggested that he create an Ionicware Debit Card in order for people to be able to access their Balances, Built Points via Affiliate Sales etc.
I've often wondered why Ionicware has NOT gone PUBLIC - like Fiverr (who's stock price shot up over 1,255% the 1st year).

Perhaps not through an IPO, but at least through a SPAC (Special Purpose Acquisition Company) which is much cheaper and a fast way to access the kind of Capitol needed to keep up with rivals such as Fiverr.

Now, they can't even hold a Paypal account? At least if they were public, we could invest in the Company in more ways.

But I knew when they removed all my Services, something wasn't right. There is a CANCER within. And someone in charge needs to make an EXECUTIVE decision before all is lost.

Now, all I live for are my Affiliates...All 10k of them....

GOD BLESS seocheckout!!!
Level X5
exJordanary

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shivayaseo

Very nice to see those affiliate sales and your contribution towards seocheckout.com
Superb!

5 years ago

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exjordanary

Thank you much!!

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shivayaseo

Debit cards in which buyers get paid or withdraw their revenues directly to their DEBIT CARD.

Nowadays it is very common to withdraw or get paid by DEBIT CARDS & if possible for the developer or programmer then it is the best suitable option for those who are unable to withdraw their revenues.

Tax Charges, Terms & Conditions Apply*

There is no need for the Paypal option and the Paypal option must be an optional choice.

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shivayaseo

Debit cards in which Sellers get paid or withdraw their revenues directly to their DEBIT CARD.

Nowadays it is very common to withdraw or get paid by DEBIT CARDS & if possible for the developer or programmer then it is the best suitable option for those who are unable to withdraw their revenues.

Tax Charges, Terms & Conditions Apply*

There is no need for the Paypal option and the Paypal option must be an optional choice.

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nerv

Any update about wise.com withdrawal situation? It's been over 2 weeks.

5 years ago

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djwaruna

Free boost not available The reason for our recent changes

. really disappointed

5 years ago

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Beverly

We are no longer able to offer free boosts. You can purchase paid boosts via the official Ionicware profile.

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djwaruna

Okay

Thank you very much

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AalfaSEO

There is the major problem , client can not deposit the amount . That's why they can not buy the service who have no paypal.

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Beverly

Thanks for your inquiry. And I believe this was previously covered via ' we made the decision to no longer accept or aggregate payments on behalf of our sellers.' Allowing buyers to add funds to balance via PayPal, credit card etc and then make purchases of a seller's service is a form of 'payment aggregation'. As noted before, we are moving away from. You can add your own PayPal, credit card processing options etc, under the payments tab in Settings.

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SamadSEO

What about the free boost??

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Beverly

Hi SamadSEO,It would be self-defeating to give away boosts as funds from sale of boosts, perm features, etc are an important part of company revenue stream now. Though I believe you are adequately compensated with 100% commission when your buyer pays via your own payment method.

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AaronSEO

Thanks for the update. it really help to grow the business. Have a good day.

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Beverly

Hi AaronSEO, thanks for taking time to comment. We appreciate your participation in our Community Discussion.
Let us know if you have suggestions on how we can improve.

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AaronSEO

I think those payment (coinbase binance stripe) getaway should be added and then buyer and seller will get more option to buy or sell service. Thanks

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Beverly

Thank you for your suggestions. I am sure you can speak to Jordan about that if you have an open ticket.

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onlineforyou

You can at least give us free boost such a way.

For free boost :;

boost 5 service per day

For paid boost as many service as you want per day

This will help us

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MdJubaer

Hi Beverly,

Thank you for letting us know exactly what was happen with seocheckout.
I have a question- Some sellers are always waiting for Seocheckout previous rules. Please tell us - Can the rules of the Seocheckout come back as before?

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centurion

Ok. Thanks for the beautiful updates all. Hope everything will be fix in soon.We are all waiting for the again smooth journey of seocheckout.
seocheckout is a really life changing operation.
Several payment methods will give the more facilities.

But Buyer can purchase the order by any payment method (with %) and seller can withdraw the payment by any payment method (with%) will give more and more and huge numbers of business for seocheckout.

My requests is that: so that Seocheckout can not loss the seller. Paylution/Hyperwallet verification for seller services payment section will make you more brand.
Paylution/Hyperwallet withdraw method is very much suitable method for the big big sellers.

Payment withdraw by Bitcoin/Etherium/Litecoin/Coingate/Coinbase/Coin Payments or any crypto currency will also give Seocheckout more facilities for the worldwide seller and buyer.

Best wishes for seocheckout.

Thanks
centurion

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IGameSEO

Hi SEO Team.

I recommendation all of your team member, Your are doing perfect working on this marketplace seocheckout.,com and You guys will do better work further,

Thank you.
Level X Seller Since 2012.

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Beverly

Great! I hope more sellers will show the same positivity toward the most recent changes.

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silent101

Hi Beverly mam, now buyer allowed to add fund in balance using paypal, credit/debit card?
if "yes" then can buyer purchase those seller service who's donot have paypal?

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advanceseonahid

Hi BeverlyThanks for explained .i am a normal freelancer.in our country, PayPal does not support so i can not add PayPal to my account. before the update comes I got lots of order but now because i don't have PayPal i can not get any orders. most of the Seocheckout buyers use PayPal to give orders.because in our country we don't have PayPal so i can not get enough orders it really helpless for me . I am really get worried about my future.if I can not get order then i have to stop work. Beverly and ajlancer can you give me any suggestion what can we do.it really harmful for our future from Bangladesh most of the freelancers dose not have paypal.how can i get order before as i get it.you can make a ruls like if i have no paypal and if any buyer want to order me then he can order from any payment way but you cut 30% so if you make this true we can get orders.

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Steve001

The unfortunate upshot of Paypal disabling SC's account, means that those freelancers living in countries that do not have a Paypal presence are going to have a very difficult time in getting orders. This is because Paypal is the defacto payment method for the greater majority of businesses & individuals on the internet. All other payment systems are just "also rans", lacking the ease of use and market penetration of Paypal by a large margin.

It's unfortunate Paypal have this power to make or break a business, but they do, unless governments legislate against it and decide Paypal is an essential service. This will never happen.

Paypal do release a frozen accounts funds eventually, but it takes 180 days i.e. 6mths to happen, so unless SC can find other sources of funds to pay out money owing to freelancers, I think we may have to wait out those 6 mths before we see all our funds released to Payoneer.

The best outcome we can hope for is somehow Paypal reverses its decision in regards to SC's account, but going on past experiences, this is very unlikely.

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cezar78

seocheckout please add cryptocurrency withdrawals. You can implement this in just one day. It can be temporary solution or constant. You can add some altcoins with low transfer fees like LITECOIN for example. Current solution is not acceptable. I won't send any ID scans to withdraw my affiliate money, forget it.

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Steve001

and just where do you think they're going to get the money to buy crypto to allow you to withdraw? Their funds are locked in Paypal.

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wordpressguy1

Hi Beverly
i have attached my Payoneer payment method and also some successful transactions were done in the past but now i am trying to validate the same account but it's not working.

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SuvoSEO

Hi,

Please open a ticket and explain your issue there. https://ionicware.zendesk.com

Thanks

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londonbeat33

How to withdraw money now? Is this possible?

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elgerente

people have confirmed receiving money on their Payoneer account, it's just the waiting is a bit long(er).

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MarkGG

Tell me just one thing. Why can't I, as a consumer, top up an account in the system and pay sellers?

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SuvoSEO

Hey MarkGG,

Due to the Recent Business Model Upgrade of Seocheckout, The Sellers are now allowed to receive direct payments. Funds arrive in the seller's payment method immediately, and there is no hold for direct payments.

So for No need to deposit money like before. By the time all sellers will add almost all payment methods, you will buy directly using the same payment method you used to deposit your money.

I also accept Payments in various payments method. You can have a look at my Profile.

Best Regards

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premiumseohelp

Hi seocheckout, we are facing lots of issues but we believe Seocheckout handles all issues very carefully. Bad news for Paypal Payment issue but we want it back. Is it possible to provide paypal for premium users?

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SuvoSEO

Hey,

ATM, there is no chance of getting things back like past. Everything has changed. As Paypal Limited the Seocheckout account, they cannot add it for us right now. So the better solution is to have your own PayPal accounts. And add it to get direct payments as it's now allowed. And if you can't own PayPal due to not being available in your country, I suggest using your family/friends Paypal who will allow you access and actively help you when PayPal verify access etc. There are no better alternatives right now.

You can also add Air TM and other gateways if you want.

Thank You

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premiumseohelp

we are afraid and we want paypal again.

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Steve001

You can use your own Paypal account now, as per the instructions on the Payment page. SC can't provide PP themselves, as they did before, as PayPal has disabled their account.

This is what has caused all the issues over this past 6 weeks and bought about all the changes. If your country of residence cannot access Paypal, then I'm afraid it's not an option for you. This is the big downside of the new system, but there's nothing SC can do about it, as it's all in Paypal's hands.

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twambazemarie

what if order is canceled , i can see every time a get i new order, money goes directly into my paypal account, then i need to know in case i cancel order, how my custom will get his money back, will i have to go to my paypal and refund back his money?

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Steve001

Yes. you will have to process the refund

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ideal7372

thanks Seocheckout is always great.
i am facing withdrawl issue my payoneer withdrawl is pending from 7 july was told 14 days but its still in pending state as its worrying i also contacted support directly they told me in next couple of days but still not got now i am in serious need of it help me on this?

Also I want to know that like in my country their is no paypal some of my buyers told me they cannot order me as i donot have any paypal added ? so are you looking to find a solution for it or this is ended for us.
Second thing I want to ask i also got a message to add card but my card was declined by site although i am using it for payment on many other sites . i got message of 0.3% fee? i am not getting money in pay pal how will this work will i have to pay extra additional fee by card ?

we are really worried as no paypal in my country and adding paypal of others is risky not possible now? please we are still looking at Jordan to find a sloution for us?

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agung88

Hello there..

I use this marketplace for many years..
Balance funds is the easiest way to pay..
Because the other system is unsafe in my country..
All I want to say is bring it back to the payment methods..

Thank you..

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SwagatoSEO

Please add add fund option It's very helpful for us. In our country it's not so easy to use other payments method. Buyers are not use other payment methods. All are using paypal. But paypal is not valid for our country Bangladesh. Please think about this problem.

Thank you. Have a good day.

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ViewSearcher

What is recommended with those of us with a small amount still in our balance? I can't exactly use it because there is nothing to buy for a small amount, and I can't withdraw because it's not enough. Usually, I would just add more to my balance to make a purchase. What happens to my stuck money? I have to suddenly become a seller to get enough to withdraw? This is not a solution.

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dolche

Why do i have to pay this much fee?

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Seorobiul34

Beverly, stop what you started very soon. There is a limit to the updates you are violating. The last three and a half months have passed, but why aren't you updated yet?All of us sellers are in trouble because we are not getting the money we earn. I am totally dependent on these seocheckout. From now on I run my family. I can't do it now.So stop all this very soon

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michjame

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